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During an event yesterday to mark 50,000 miles of testing the Lockheed Martin / BAE Joint Light Tactical Vehicle in Owego, NY, a Syracuse TV crew apparently flipped the truck over on the test course:

The JLTV flipped while turning at the bottom of a hill and landed on its side. St. Clair, a photographer in the passenger seat and a Lockheed test driver riding in the back suffered minor injuries.

Earlier in the day I was part of a group of defense reporters—we left before the flip—who took the truck for a spin around the course, which was muddy from earlier rains and boasts some tight turns, inclines, and a 60 degree drop that I, ah, struggled with during my turn behind the wheel. But flipping the truck seems like it would really have taken some work, since one of the engineers who drove us around first really pushed it around the course.

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Lockheed's Louis DeSantis told us during an earlier briefing that an Australian defense official had put the truck in the trees a few days before our arrival, during a visit by Aussie military and government officials to discuss the delivery of two right-hand steering models for jungle testing for the Australian military. But flipping it is another matter entirely, since it handled beautifully and took the turns and deep puddles and dips amazingly well. Still, things like this happen—but I would assume that yesterday was the last time they let reporters behind the wheel for some time.

 

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(Pics of Lockheed / BAE JLTV by Paul McLeary)

 

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Solomon wrote:
what were they thinking? before a procurement decision is made and you allow untrained personnel to get behind the wheel of your vehicle?!? this is probably the biggest vehicle this guy has ever driven....would a trucker allow someone to drive his big rig without training? this was plain stupid. congratulations BAE or whoever else is in this contest, LM just gave you a gift.
8/14/2009 10:24 AM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
oh and i thought that BAE and Navistar were teamed up....not LM and BAE
8/14/2009 10:27 AM CDT
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Paul McLeary wrote:
BAE is teamed with Navistar, but are also working with Lockheed for work on armor and providing production facilities.
8/14/2009 10:40 AM CDT
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BarelyAwake wrote:
Similar folklore about the HUMVEE when it was in testing. Company test drivers were having great success, then turned it over to Pvt. Joe Snuffy for the first time. Went down the first V shaped trench and ripped the front suspension out. Young Pvt. didn't take the same approach as the professional drivers.
8/14/2009 2:10 PM CDT
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Marcase wrote:
Flipping these type of vehicles will always be an issue because their anti-IED design dictates high ground clearance. Add the armor (plus any additional add-ons) and mix that with roof mounted RWS or heavy gunner stations, JLTVs and MRAPs will always be top-heavy with curb weights ranging from ten to thirty (!) tons. Any average Joe/Jane will turn it turtle while trying to dodge RPGs.
8/14/2009 3:12 PM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
Marines, Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen are suppose to tear gear up...thats what its for....but this was some TV news reporter. thats EPIC failure on the part of LM! epic!
8/14/2009 6:46 PM CDT
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Geogen wrote:
Why doesn't it have a blasted remoted controlled gun mount? What gives with US designers?

IMHO, US should buy Swedish, French, Spanish or German vehicles. More modern; same (or more) bang for less R&D; will look cooler.
8/14/2009 10:03 PM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
forget that Geogen, our vehicles actually get used in combat. what would we buy to meet the JLTV specs anyway? Their is no light wt wheeled vehicle produced in Europe that meets specs. NOT ONE. it might look cool but it will be torn up by road conditions alone.

ps. what vehicle would you suggest.
8/15/2009 1:29 AM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
oh and BAE is European....they have an "American" division but they're definitely European.
8/15/2009 1:30 AM CDT
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Geogen wrote:
"ps. what vehicle would you suggest."

Personally, if pushed into a corner... I don't like the JLTV specs at all. They are too heavy. Too close to the MRAP classes.

It is claimed to be a replacement for the HMMWV, but so has the rest of the past 12,000 vehicles?

M-1117, Stryker, MRAP classes: all vehicles which came out of Iraq's invasion requirements, which the Humvee had to do initially.

How many more vehicles will need to be an augmentation for US Army and Marine Corps missions? Getting a little ridiculous?

1) Perhaps stretch the existing HMMWV, add heavier suspension and bigger motor? Fit 6 troops??
1a) Add a towed truck box to Humvee for general utility and transport?
2) Evolve the MRAPs to future missions: including VL air defense, Command and Control and Recon (including UAV launch rail sys)?
3) Stryker has huge potential as PG mortar and VL weapon carrier as well as transport box haul? Good enough for USMC?
4) OK, if we truly need a new vehicle from scratch: let it be at least CH-53K internally carried (and possibly CH-47F); 2-3 seat light tracked or wheeled armored vehicle (say in the 3 ton class); comparable to the Wisesl II. Add remote controlled 12.7mm, 40mm mount, or PG 120mm mortar. Yes, this could perform actual Battlefield roles, according to requirements.

5) Seriously, what US Army and USMC needs is a towed, plug-in fuel cell box range-supplement for hybrid fuel-cell/flex-fuel powered light (airborne) 2-3 seat combat vehicle and a 10-12t Main Multi-Use Utility/Transport class, IMO.

Bottom line: it should be about exploiting the evolution of the developing technologies and evolving the available employed vehicles... and less about inventing new classes of vehicles - for Industrial contract sake - every 2-3 years.
8/15/2009 9:35 PM CDT
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