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Budget Axeman Stalks Halls of Pentagon

The E-8C Joint Stars is supposed to start operations in Afghanistan next summer, but if Air Force officials cut upgrade packages (see link for AvWeek story), it may not be the higher-flying, multi-sensor platform that warfighters are hoping for.

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It certainly will not be able to meet the Joint Warfighter Urgent Operational Need request for a dynamically-tasked, real-time airborne surveillance system that can track people in rough terrain.

The heavily loaded Joint Stars, which has thrust and runway length restrictions even at sea level, requires modernization of airframe, engines and sensors to make an adequate transition to high altitude airfields and more difficult ISR operations in the extremely rugged Hindu Kush. High mountains and deep valleys make line-of-sight surveillance difficult. Also, the objects of greatest importance will be people moving at walking speed, not vehicles which have been the Joint Stars target set until now.

Modernization packages will include trading old PW-TF33-102C engines for new PW-JT8D-219s. In addition to more thrust, the new engines provide extra electrical power for additional sensors. The improvements will also include radar software upgrades and a new Senior Year Electro/optical Reconnaissance System (SYERS III) sensor which was designed for but not installed in the U-2 which is nearing retirement.

The existing APY-7 phased array radar is to be improved with a software package that will allow it to track small, slow-moving targets. That particular choice of words translates to “people” who can go where vehicles can’t. New to the aircraft will be the SYERS III sensor that offers multi-spectral sensing and full motion video. A Joint-Stars can not order weapons release with only a radar image. That requires an optical image of the target. But the combination of radar as a cuing device and a SYERS III in the same aircraft for rapid visual identification makes Joint-Stars a far more formidable and realtime combatant.

Despite the advantages of the improvement package, as the Air Force continues reconsidering its strategy for collecting ground surveillance, the fate of the Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (Joint Stars) has become uncertain. Defense Secretary Gates has remained remorseless in his defense cutting.

Development continues on a new engine for the E-8C, however production funding for the purchase of the new propulsion systems appears to be on hold. A decision on when and whether to re-engine the Joint Stars fleet will depend largely on the outcome of a forthcoming study on ground moving target indication (GMTI) collection.

“In no way, shape or form is the Air Force walking away from GMTI capability,’ says Lt. Gen. Mark Shackelford, military deputy for the Air Force’s acquisition office. This review will commence early next year and will address the type and quality of GMTI required – dictating the technical requirements of a future sensor – as well as what platform would be most suitable to carry the system. Shackelford made his comments during an Aug. 27 roundtable with reporters at the Pentagon.

The re-engining proposed for Joint Stars is expected to significantly improve the look angle for the powerful radar sensor by allowing the aircraft to operate at higher altitudes for improved intelligence collection.

“A byproduct of re-enginging is the additional power to support a sensor upgrade,” Schackelford says. That brings to mind [the question of] what kind of sensor do you want on your platform.”

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Loader2088 wrote:
Very sad and shortsighted. It appears that the Secretary of Defense has a new motto - if it's AF, cut it.
8/28/2009 11:19 AM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
More likely..if it can be joint...join them....AF say hello to the 737....
8/28/2009 11:27 AM CDT
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Loader2088 wrote:
Solomon, you are right that a newer JSTARS can be built. It was a goofy idea to put them in retired airliners to begin with.

However, there is no doubt that the current E-8C will be in HD/LD service for years whatever is done. Right now we can't seem to procure anything in less than a decade. For a truly minor amount of money, the aircraft can be made more effective in several ways. And, as I fear, not doing the re-engining may cost a jet and crew.
8/28/2009 11:35 AM CDT
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MikeP wrote:
Any word on when (or even if) JSTARS will have NCCT fitted to it?
8/28/2009 12:24 PM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
if i remember correctly this wasn't/isn't an AF screwup. didn't they rush this into service and wasn't this suppose to be just an interim airframe? i think the re-engine scheme was an attempt at being frugal. wow, the AF is on a bad streak right now...hard to get outta the dog house.
8/28/2009 1:57 PM CDT
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jstratford wrote:
It's a shame that our troops could be denied the capabiltiies this system brings. There isn't anything fielded now or that will be fielded in the next decade that can do this mission. Not the AF I remember. Loader2088's fear brings it home.
8/28/2009 3:27 PM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
maybe not... the next gen EP-3 is suppose to have overland capabilities. i can see the AF being forced into the E-737 program with the Navy to save costs and to increase commonality.
8/28/2009 3:48 PM CDT
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Loader2088 wrote:
As far as I know, Solomon, the B707 airframe was not considered interim, other than leading to the advanced capability of the aborted B767 based jet. The prototype E-8 was pressed into emergency service in Desert Storm, the system only achieving full IOC after that war.

All of the current airframes were either airliners, including one used by Afghan Airlines, or from the Luftwaffe or Canadian Forces in a couple of cases.
8/28/2009 3:53 PM CDT
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Ret AF Off wrote:
Solomon - What are you saying is not an AF screwup - the E-8? Development started back in the early 80s and development acft were sent to Desert Storm (Highway of Death at the Mother of All Retreats?). There wasn't a plan for another platform when deliveries started in '96. Early in this decade someone got the bright idea that it ought to be the same airframe as the tanker and since Boeing was pushing the 767, the E-10 was born. Both had rough histories I won't go into. Hopefully the AF will keep the tanker/isr platform common in the future, but until then, all we have for wide-area surveillance is Joint STARS. Upgrades should not be held back waiting for the next great idea that isn't even on paper yet. This current AF attitude toward the system is criminal.
8/28/2009 3:59 PM CDT
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Ret AF Off wrote:
One was Al Gore's jet at Anderews and before that it was a gun runner... Colorful histories, but all were delivered as zero-hour airframes after being refurbished by Northrop Grumman -- with the original engines because the AF wouldn't commit to replacements. Based on costs to keep the JT-3Ds flying, the AF could have paid for the JT-8Ds by now. This is so wrong.
8/28/2009 4:03 PM CDT
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