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Russian Pilots Flew into Combat Expecting No Opposition

Senior Russian official are adding to the chorus about its military’s early failures in Georgia which include air defense suppression, intelligence analysis and warnings, air attack planning and speed of response.

These opinions -- coming from current and recently retired senior military commanders and appearing in Russia’s Independent Military Review, other defense related publications, and Russian news agencies -- have caught the attention of U.S. government officials and analysts who have been pouring over open-source literature to gather operational and technological clues to events in the Georgia-Russia conflict.

Lack of preparation infected the Russian air force, said its former commander-in-chief, Gen. Peter Deinekin, who accused the service of handing the initiative to the Georgian air force. Like the Russian artillery units, he excoriated the air force for not immediately launching an air attack to blind Georgia’s radar and reconnaissance capability and then shatter command and control. Deinekin proposed the model of the initial attack on Grosni, Chechnya in 1994 when the country’s air force of 250 aircraft was destroyed on the ground.

Here there seems to be a curious disconnect with what actually happened. U.S. analysts said that the Georgian command and control of its forces broke down almost immediately after the initial foray into South Ossetia.

Former Russian Defense Minister Gen. Paul Grachev cast blame on all the Russian intelligence services for lack of warning and commanders of the North Caucasus Military District for not having a detailed contingency plan in case of an attack by Georgia.

Gen. Mahmut Gareyev, president of the Academy of Military Sciences, also blamed military intelligence for the classic failure of miscalculating Georgia’s intentions. The resulting confusion in Russia’s command and control was pointed to as the reason that Russia’s air force took so many losses including a number of Su-25 Frogfoot close attack aircraft, possibly an Su-24 and a front-line, high-performance Tu-22M aircraft which may have been either a bombing or reconnaissance variant operated by the Black Sea Fleet.

 

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More precisely, Russian intelligence failed to analyze the numbers, locations and capabilities of the Georgian air defenses, said former air force commander and chief, Gen. Anatoly Kornukov. As a result, Russian pilots went into combat expecting no resistance. Secondly, there was no campaign to eliminate the Georgia air defense or air force. Thirdly, there was no reason to use a strategic bomber like the Tu-22, he says.

Radar killing missiles were not used on the Georgian air defenses, despite their availability, which meant that Russian aircrews could not use their precision stand-off weapons without being in range of Georgia’s SA-11 air defenses. Some observers pointed to the unavailability of Russian precision, long-range, standoff weaponry.

Other Russian analysts contend the Russians made little or no use of its space-based surveillance and that the rough terrain and heavy vegetation of Georgia foiled the long-range use of laser-guided weapons.

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Obamanite wrote:
All things considered, the Russians were very successful against the Georgians. Although, I wonder how many of those Russian planes shot down were the result of "friendly fire". Say, while we're on the subject, maybe Ares will post something soon about how the Georgian conflict may be affecting the future of F-22 production...
8/20/2008 3:11 PM CDT
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Flateric wrote:
Independent Russian media says of at least one Frogfoot, shot down by friendly fire. Pilot survived.
8/20/2008 3:13 PM CDT
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BigRocket wrote:
@Obamanite: The Georgian conflict has led to a renewed US national focus on foreign policy in recent days, and has enabled McCain to close the gap with Obama. If McCain becomes the next Republican president, he is probably going to spend more on the military than a Democrat president, and Raptor production would probably see a slight reprieve. Call it a hunch, but I think you of all people would be just thrilled by the thought of McCain defeating Obama, right? Ahem.
8/20/2008 10:34 PM CDT
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Obamanite wrote:
BigRocket: I think it is quite likely - and we'll know in a few hours - that as a result of recent events, Obama will choose Biden as his running mate. Truth be told, I was more of a Bidenite during the primaries that an Obamanite or, god forbid, a Clintonite (yikes). Unfortunately, Biden never stood a chance, principally because nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Also, I am hardly a party-line Democrat to the extent that I seriously countenanced voting for McCain in 2000. However, McCain 2.0, of 2008, is quite a different candidate, one who scares the living daylights out of me. He makes bombs-a-lot (Bush) seem like a hippy peacenik by comparison. I also know enough people who know him rather well, and he is far more belligerent and bellicose than the general public realizes. So yes, you are right: I by no means would want to see McCain become president. That is, I don't want to be at war with half the world four years from now. The man is - it must be said - seriuosly psychologically disturbed, not to mention exhibiting the first clear signs of impending senility.

And, if that weren't enough, he has it out for the USAF. He always has. So I actually think the Raptor program would fare better under Obama than McCain. Obama is no dove. Read Loren Thompson's article about him that does a good job of establishing the fact that Obama is rather more Reaganesque than Carteresque (thank god).
8/21/2008 8:33 AM CDT
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Loader2088 wrote:
Oh, yes. I'm sure I'll be confusing a street agitator for Chicago who hung out with terrorists with Reagan. Seriously, McCain would be so much better dealing with Russia and other countries that it's not even close. We could have a reprise of the Cuban Missile Crisis with a President Obama soon after January 20th, should that unhappy event come to pass.

McCain has been tough on the USAF, but the wing of the Democratic Party Obama comes from is against just about every defense program (except the one in their state or district).
8/21/2008 2:04 PM CDT
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Obamanite wrote:
Loader, reading your post, it is striking to me how very deeply divided this country is. Seriously, it's like two completely different countries. I will admit that Obama's dream of post-partisanship is total bunk. Never going to happen. I have come across enough people like you, who buy the whole "Obama is a terrorist" line of thinking, to understand that there simply cannot be anything like a constructive dialogue between the "blue" and "red" factions in this country. It just boggles the mind. It is unbelievable, and unbelievably depressing...
8/21/2008 2:48 PM CDT
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Loader2088 wrote:
I'm deeply sorry to depress you. You might note I did not say "Obama is a terrorist" but pointed out his association with the convicted, unrepentant terrorist William Ayers. Have you heard of him? I might also object to calling a fine gentleman such as McCain the names you called him. Post partisan?

Regarding any claim that Obama is "Reaganesque", I see nothing in the background of the man that would support such a thing. I won't rehash Obama's well-known background, to avoid any further depressing effect.
8/21/2008 8:06 PM CDT
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Loader2088 wrote:
Concerning the Russian AF performance in the invasion of Georgia, it would seem unlikely that they would do well, considering their hard times since 1991, with limited flying hours, maintenance problems, history of initiative being discouraged, etc.
8/21/2008 8:10 PM CDT
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Obamanite wrote:
I've heard quite a lot about Ayers, yes. I am rather well versed on opposition research coming from both campaigns and I'll leave it at that. As for the "names" I called McCain, I didn't actually call him any. It is not just my opinion that he has been deeply psychologically scarred by his experience in the Hanoi Hilton and that he is dangerously unstable as a result and thus not only not fit to be president but would indeed present a danger to this nation, if not the entire world. Further, there are clear signs that the man is flirting, and maybe engaging in slow dancing and perhaps heavy petting, with senility. No, I would not want Dr. Strangelove as president, but that's just one man's opinion.

Post-partisan? I never claimed to be, although I am. There are plenty of Republicans I respect and in fact like, Chuck Hagel being one of them. Arlen Specter is another. Olympia Snowe. Susan Collins. Lincoln Chaffee. The list goes on. Yes, do notice that they are all Northeast Republicans with the exception of Hagel. The pre-I've-got-a-friend-in-Jesus, sweet-home-Alabama Republicans were formidable indeed. Now they're just formidably scary.

Regarding Obama's "Reaganesque" qualities, read Loren Thompson's article, as I urged you and others in an earlier post. Fortunately, he is Reaganesque only to a point. He still has all his marbles, for one.
8/21/2008 10:00 PM CDT
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