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Veto Leveled At F136 Backers

The Obama administration has raised the pressure against Congressional moves to fund the GE/Rolls-Royce F136, the alternate engine for the Joint Strike Fighter. In its latest memo to Congress, the administration curtly dismisses many pro-F136 arguments and concludes: "If the final bill presented to the President would seriously disrupt the F-35 program, the President's senior advisors would recommend a veto."

Now, the Congressional language that we reported here a couple of days ago anticipates this objection, arguing that a two-airplane cut in JSF numbers in FY2010 will not "seriously disrupt" the program in this year. But the administration says that "expenditures on a second engine are unnecessary and impede the progress of the overall JSF program" and might argue that implications in FY2011 and later are more severe.

How did we get to this standoff?  In my view, this started as a Washington Monument ploy by the JSF office - an effort to get Congress to add money to the program year-by-year. This was successful through FY2009. In that year, Congress first funded the F136 at the expense of two F-35Cs, but finally (after the JSF program office threatened to thcream and thcream until it was thick) restored those two aircraft

However, this brilliant plan fell apart when the new administration's Office of Management and Budget took the recommendation literally and tagged the F136 as wasteful and duplicative. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is not going to admit to being wrong in a hurry, and the F-22 battle has further hardened the White House position. 

The current leadership of the program hasn't helped by issuing conflicting statements, one day suggesting that the world will end if the F136 is funded and the next complaining that Pratt & Whitney is not acting as if there is a competition going on. But they should not be surprised by P&W's attitude, since the program office appears to be trying to forestall any competition.

Meanwhile, Pratt & Whitney has taken to the streets and enlisted pressure groups on its side. PW can't tell the administration that the F136 issue is tantamount to a test of its manhood, but Citizens Against Government Waste can.

Indeed, CAGW has made this a top issue, launching a new ad campaign this morning. For further reading on CAGW and its ties to politicians and industry, check here, here and here. Not to mention this Washington Post story last year, looking at links between Northrop Grumman and CAGW.

The merits of the case are lost in the noise. The value of engine competition within platforms is a debatable issue. (The A320 family does well with competition and the 737 does well without it, for instance.) My personal view is that it's premature to close the competition in JSF, because engine performance and cost (acquisition and support) are very important, and neither engine has yet demonstrated that it meets the customer's needs in both areas.

The F136 advocates, meanwhile, take some comfort in the fact that the veto threat is not as unambiguous as the one leveled against the F-22. But if the F136 does get eliminated, the historical record will show that politics and fiscal maneuvering defined its fate, as much as any technical or economical issues.

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sferrin wrote:
That's irony for you. Spend a billion or two on the industrial base for the defense of the country and it's waste. Shovel truckloads of billions into worthless pork like the UAW, GM, banks, univeral "free" (HA!) healthcare and so forth and it's "Change we can believe in". I guess we know which generates the most liberal votes eh?
7/16/2009 8:10 AM CDT
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Bill Sweetman wrote:
CAGW - aside from its corporate support - seems to be more aimed at the crabby Buick owner demographic, a bit like 60 Minutes. At the same time, they have a reputation as a gun (or rusty blunderbuss) for hire.
7/16/2009 8:22 AM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
sferrin, I think you're on to something. The administration is getting blowback from all the spending so instead of these being veto threats they have become tests of Obama's manhood. If Congress does force the issue, then Obama vetoes it. He goes back to the American people and says that he's fighting waste in the defense budget and has Sen. McCain on stage with him. If Congress goes along with him, Obama wins. He says that he forced Congress to make hard choices and he has Sen. McCain on stage with him as a show of politics across the isle. And its because he was pushed or as some would say walked himself into a position where the public is demanding a halt to out of control spending. Amazing.
7/16/2009 8:26 AM CDT
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franco12 wrote:
Nothing on P&W 's engine blog or facebook page really have anything positive to say about the F135 - all it is is a shrill cry of how evil the F136 is.

And it begs the question, Why is Pratt so afraid of an alternative engine? They must be afraid they will lose out in a competition, or that they will lose out on the ability to milk the program for all its worth.
7/16/2009 8:28 AM CDT
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Bill Sweetman wrote:
If you accept that they'll make 3000 JSFs, divide by roughly half and multiply by the price of the engine, you can understand P&W's motives.
7/16/2009 8:39 AM CDT
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franco12 wrote:
So they are not trying to save the government any money? Gee, I thought they were being good citizens!
7/16/2009 9:25 AM CDT
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JimCan wrote:
Is my memory faulty, or did the USAF not have to qualify a second source (GE) engine for the F16 some years ago when the P&W engine was having reliability issues?

My recollection at the time was that USAF was unhappy that P&W was unresponsive to their concerns and did not fix their engine until GE started to make inroads with the second source engine.

I am a retired aerospace engineer, and recall that my companies always wanted competition for major procurements. We believed that the cost would always be lower if we were not reliant on a single supplier until a fixed production price was committed.
7/16/2009 9:43 AM CDT
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Bill Sweetman wrote:
7/16/2009 9:57 AM CDT
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sferrin wrote:
Solomon: FWIW I'm not against the F136 and would be all over it if it weren't for the fact that the money has to come from somewhere and who knows what would get short-changed to fund it. If they wanted to kill LCS and put some of the money on the F136 I'd jump on that. Other programs probably not so much so. It's always better to have multiple sources but it almost always costs more to do it. Even if the F136 managed to be better and/or cheaper than the F135 you still have the developement and support costs added in. No easy answer .
7/16/2009 10:13 AM CDT
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Bobbymike wrote:
sferrin - so Obama wants to remake the entire US economy and his policy is we will jam it through on a pary-line vote if we have to. At the same time the White House has sent Obama's brown shirts against fellow Democrats to get them to vote for his legislation no matter what. Now consider the relatively modest changes to the defense budget and Obama threatens a veto.

Is anyone else worried we have a budding dictator on our hands.
7/16/2009 7:40 PM CDT
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