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A Real Win For Rafale

There will be some that say Brazil only is buying the 36 Dassault Rafale strike fighters because of France’s agreement to help develop and maybe buy ten KC-390 airlifters, or transfer extensive nuclear submarine technology, or whatever other reasons, but reality is that, for once, the French sales team orchestrated the campaign rather flawlessly.

It is, without doubt, a huge win for Rafale. Not only is Brazil the first export customer for Rafale, it is a sizeable order and it came in a real competition. Libya and the United Arab Emirates – other countries that are looking at the aircraft – would execute the purchase as a sole source deal.

What’s more, it’s a big win for the French government, which several years ago saw its success in export sales fall. Having a good relationship with Paris was increasingly less important in the global political environment, so defense exports were slipping. The government launched a massive effort to become more supportive of industry. And, French president Nicolas Sarkozy has been aggressive – some may say shameless – in acting as the chief salesman for the country’s aerospace and defense industry.

For France, the Rafale export is not just important as a matter of prestige and influence, but also because Paris wants to reduce the rate at which it is taking the fighters because of budget pressures. With exports, it can do so without Dassault being forced below the Rafale production line's minimum sustainment rate.

I just got back from Brazil and one thing all industry officials there were talking about was how professionally they felt the competition was being run. The F-X2 deal was announced a bit later than first planned – to coincide with Brazil’s independence day which Sarkozy attended (Brazil’s president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva was in Paris for July 14 this year), but overall, both schedule and process were executed to plan. That, too, speaks for Rafale having won as fair-and-square as any of these deals are ever won.

The French win is a setback for Saab’s Gripen and Boeing’s F/A-18E/F, although for some time it seemed the French were ahead. The single-engined Gripen might not have appealed to a country with the vast Amazonian region, and Washington, right now, does not appear to have worked the relationship with Brasilia as well as Paris did.

In announcing the deal, Brazil’s president Lula said that “it is the consolidation of a strategic partnership.”

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shudra14 wrote:
at what price these rafales being sold?
9/8/2009 8:40 AM CDT
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tangoviking wrote:
Massive effort by the French and they were always the favourites. The competition was not complete however. The airforce had not submitted its report and this was a presidential decision to go ahead with negotiations. The Brazilian side said several times yesterday that the other candidates still has a chance if France can't (on signed contracts) deliver a good price, offsets and the promised technology transfer.

9/8/2009 10:29 AM CDT
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Robert Wall wrote:
There is no contract, yet, that now has to be negotiated. That was always the plan. However, in reality, we may never really know the unit flyaway cost for the Brazilian aircraft.
9/8/2009 10:34 AM CDT
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Airpower wrote:
A terrific boost for a desperate Dassault to be sure  and a nice overture to the Abu Dhabi deal that is lurking out on the horizon too  but 'fair and square' ??

The FX-2 process WAS being expertly run by the FAB but Lula just binned it. The FX-2 evaluation team has not submitted its final report  18 months of work. It's not due until next month.

In making his overtly political move to align Brazilian defence and industry policy 100% with France Lula halted the tender process for what he obviously sees as the higher priority  nuclear tech, support for a seat on the UNSC, all that stuff.

I guess if you are the President looking to stamp out your legacy in the last few months of office you can do stuff like that, but I'd be loathe to call it 'fair and square'.

The Foreign Minister described it as a victory for "French political technology". Figure that one out.

And, as you say, there is no contract  and until there IS a contract there is nothing. Let's see how fast they can get this thing wrapped up.
9/8/2009 5:49 PM CDT
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shudra14 wrote:
to air power

In making his overtly political move to align Brazilian defence and industry policy 100% with France Lula halted the tender process for what he obviously sees as the higher priority  nuclear tech, support for a seat on the UNSC, all that stuff.
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US govt doesn't bend on tech transfer and doesn't share the software codes and isn't liable for any malicious software deliberately encrypted in US build hardware.

f18 is bound to US govt. mood if US govt wants they can stop spares supply and US has policy of END USER AGREEMENT which allows regular check ups on f18 by US officials that how f18 have been used by customer country

and france doesn't object on how rafales are used and there is NO END USER AGREEMENT with rafale

US doesn't share nuke submarine tech nor US support any country for permanent seat in UN

so its very little gain from US
9/8/2009 7:58 PM CDT
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viperfan wrote:
airpower, spot on. Let's see if Lula can get a signed deal before the election.

shudra14, this topic is not about MMRCA...
9/8/2009 11:53 PM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
wow. a fighter that in some ways is less capable than the F-16blk60, F/A-18F and the F-15S/K is considered the absolute cats meow in this fighter program. you guys make me laugh! thanks.
9/9/2009 10:16 AM CDT
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shudra14 wrote:
shudra14, this topic is not about MMRCA...
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so what it is? rafale,f18,gripen all are MMRCA

10 kc390 would cost upto 1.5 billion
9/9/2009 11:05 AM CDT
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Airpower wrote:
Solomon

You make us laugh too, so everybody's happy!
9/9/2009 11:50 AM CDT
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Solomon wrote:
Airpower...you make me want to punch puppies. but since that's not practical and you're not available....
9/9/2009 12:09 PM CDT
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