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Boxers and Wiesels Down Under
Some 100 German soldiers have been in Australia since the beginning of February to test the performance of their equipment in desert and tropical conditions. They are conducting operational testing of the Boxer armored transport vehicle, command post versions of the Wiesel 2 and BV206S, and the Mikado mini unmanned aerial vehicle for the army armaments section of the office of the German army, supported by German industry.

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German army photo of Wiesel 2 by Stefan Heydt

The testing is being conducted in two phases in Australia: hot and dry at the Woomera testing ground in southern Australia and hot and humid at the Townsville training area in the northeast of the country. At a later stage, testing in a cold (Arctic) climate will take place in northern Norway.

The German army has conducted operational testing of its equipment in northern Norway and French Guyana in the past, but this is the first time it has done so Down Under. German troops were last in Australia in 1999 when they participated in the International Force for East Timor (INTERFET) and the United Nations Mission in East Timor (UNAMET).
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Marcase wrote:
The Wiesel is a poor choice for Afghanistan. It's a hit-and-run, airmobile protected vehicle that does not have the IED protection required, or the comfort for prolonged patrols - the somewhat larger Mk2 is still a very tight fit. With - still - a shortage of large helos, the Wiesel will probably be confined to short patrols, might be wiser to bring extra Boxers (if available) Marders or even Luchs.

Although the Boxer was designed pre-IED era, it offers much better protection and endurance and digital (BMS) connectivity. As one of the newest generation APCs, it will be interesting to see how it holds up.
3/4/2010 3:41 PM CST
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Solomon wrote:
I agree Marcase...where is the Boxer or the Fuchs...especially the Fuchs it suppose to be armored against IEDs.

The Wiesel has its place (imo) just not in Afghanistan.
3/4/2010 6:06 PM CST
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Praet wrote:
Why the talk about Afghanistan? Have you misread "Australia"?
These are just common hot climate trials the vehicles have to undergo before they are cleared for introduction into service.
3/4/2010 7:37 PM CST
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Solomon wrote:
Because Afghanistan is the 800 pound ape in the room that is sucking up all the oxygen when it comes to armored vehicles. To think otherwise is not being honest. To think that this testing of vehicles isn't with an eye to Afghanistan isn't being honest either.

With that being said, we recently discovered why the Germans hadn't deployed the NH-90 to Afghanistan (none of the other allies either)....we understand why the Marder has gone their...and why the Boxer hasn't.
3/4/2010 8:44 PM CST
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Praet wrote:
ALL German equipment introduced in the last decades has undergone hot/cold climate trials before being cleared for introduction. That's part of the acceptance process now that German equipment is likely to be deployed outside the Central Europe theater of the Cold War. There is no immediate relation to the ISAF/Afghanistan deployment. That there are cold weather trials in Norway doesn't mean Germany is going to invade the Arctic either ;)
3/5/2010 4:07 AM CST
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jetcal1 wrote:
That there are cold weather trials in Norway doesn't mean Germany is going to invade the Arctic either ;)

- Moscow maybe?
Sorry that was in poor taste, but too good to pass up.
3/5/2010 11:21 AM CST
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Marcase wrote:
Both Boxer and Wiesel Mk2 are also in the running (not yet confirmed, but still) for being included in the Bundeswehr reinforcements/replacements earmarked for ISAF, hence my Afghanistan comment.

Cheers.
3/5/2010 3:24 PM CST
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Praet wrote:
The depicted Wiesel 2 "command post version" looks like it could be the command variant of the Mörserkampfsystem (Wiesel 2 based 120 mm mortar).
If there still are any Wiesel or Wiesel 2 variants in Afghanistan, they aren't around in significant numbers. I think that's been one of the lessons learned, and protection level requirements have increased rather than dropped. I doubt there will be any significant Wiesel deployment in the future, except perhaps if the aforementioned mortar system is ready in time before the ISAF deployment ends.
3/6/2010 8:18 PM CST
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